The Terrifying Reach Of Fake News Online

The Terrifying Reach Of Fake News Online


I WAS THINKING THOUGH, YOU
HAVE THE NORMALIZATION COMING FROM SOME ON THE RIGHT, AN
ORGANIZATION LIKE MEDIA MATTERS, YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT OF, YOU
HAD A LONG SPAN WHERE OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT, NOW YOU HAVE THIS
YEAR WITH TRUMP, WHAT IS YOUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE
NOW?>>THE CORE CRITIQUE IS THE
SAME, MISINFORMATION IS BAD, AND SPECIFICALLY THAT IT ISN’T JUST
THAT MISINFORMATION IS AN ACCIDENT, FOR A WHILE ORIGINALLY
AND FOR MUCH OF OUR MISSION IT WAS ABOUT THAT THERE WAS AN
INTENTIONAL EFFORT TO MISINFORM, TO POISON THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA,
AND IT USED TO BE A JUST A BUNCH OF RIGHT-WING ACTORS, THEY WOULD
BULLY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA INTO PICKING UP THEIR SLANT. THAT’S
THE PART THAT’S RADICALLY DIFFERENT IS THAT IT’S MORE
COMPLICATED AND CONFUSING, YOU HAVE RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES
PARTICIPATING TO SOME EXTENT, AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT STORY
GETS OVERBLOWN IN TERMS OF WHEN IT GETS REPORTED ON THEY AREN’T
GETTING TO THE IMPLICATIONS OF IT, BUT TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND
IT PLAIN HOW IT FITS TOGETHER IS WE DID A LOT EARLY ON TO LOOK AT
WHAT IS THE FAKE NEWS PROBLEM, WHAT DO THEY MEAN WHEN THEY TALK
ABOUT THAT? I THERE IS A FRAMEWORK THAT HELPS UNDERSTAND,
A LOT OF IT IS COMING TO THESE ONLINE COMMUNITIES LIKE 4CHAN,
THEY ARE CREATING AND DRIVING A LOT OF WHAT BECOME NARRATIVES,
THEN A SECOND LAYER OF STORYTELLERS WHICH ARE LARGELY
WEBSITES NOT DESIGNED FOR IDEOLOGICAL PURPOSES BUT JUST TO
GET VIRAL TRAFFIC, AND WE FOUND AN ASYMMETRY COME ON FACEBOOK
ALONE CONSERVATIVE LEANING SITES ARE 2.5 TIMES THE SIZE OF LEFT
LEANING ONES. IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW SOME OF THAT FITS INTO THE
FAKE NEWS PROBLEM, THAT’S HOW YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF THESE
STORIES GO VIRAL AND HAVE THE SATURATION THEY DO, IS BECAUSE
THERE’S THIS CONSTELLATION OF IDEOLOGICAL COMMUNITIES, AND IF
YOU LOOK AT THAT FRAMEWORK IT DOESN’T JUST EXPLAIN HOW THE
FAKE NEWS PROBLEM CAME IN, THEN YOU CAN SEE WHERE BOTS AND OTHER
FORMS OF MANIPULATION ARE A FACTOR. SO FOR ME THE MISSION IS
HOW DO WE MONITOR THIS IN A WAY THAT’S JUST CHASING EVERY FACT,
IT’S 10% NOT 12%, BUT WHAT CORE NARRATIVES ARE COMING OUT AND
HOW DO THEY INFLUENCE THE BROADER CONVERSATION? AND LASTLY
WHAT KINDS OF DATA AND INFORMATION DO WE NEED TO GIVE
TO PLATFORMS TO GET THEM TO ONE RECOGNIZE THE PROBLEM AND START
TO PUT IN PLACE SOLUTIONS THAT AREN’T CENSORSHIP DRIVEN BUT
RATHER LOOKING AT, SAY, THE CHEATING AND THE MANIPULATIONS,
THAT’S REALLY THE BIGGEST SHIFT IS SPENDING MORE TIME ON MESSAGE
BOARDS THAN SAY FOX NEWS IN A WAY, BUT IT MATTERS MORE. IF YOU
GO BACK, I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES YOU CAN TRACE
SPECIFIC FOX NEWS SEGMENTS OR EVEN DONALD TRUMP TWEETS TO A
4CHAN THREAD FROM TWO DAYS AGO.>>IT DISSEMINATES FOR A COUPLE
DAYS, AND THEN IT HITS.>>EXACTLY, TUCKER CARLSON AND
PEOPLE LIKE THAT SOLICIT SEGMENTS FROM THEM. IT USED TO
BE THE CASE THAT THESE RIGHT-WING PLACES ARE THE
VANGUARD BUT NOW THEY ARE JUST REPACKAGING THESE STORIES FOR AN
AUDIENCE THAT ISN’T USING 4CHAN.>>ARE THESE THE PLACES WHERE
THERE IS A REVERBERATION OF THESE MESSAGES — IS IT MORE
POWERFUL THAN FOX NEWS, CNN, MSNBC PUT TOGETHER?>>WITHOUT A DOUBT, AND IT’S
REFLECTED IN EVERYTHING A METRIC. IN THE LAST CYCLE
STARTING IN THE SUMMERTIME FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER THE
AGGREGATE CONSUMPTION OF THIS HYPER IDEOLOGICAL AND FABRICATED
STORIES EXCEEDED THE TOTAL CONSUMPTION ON SOCIAL MEDIA FROM
ALL OF THE MAINSTREAM SITES COMBINED. AND WE HAD TO BE
GENEROUS IN THAT ANALYSIS AND INCLUDE PLACES LIKE PEOPLE JUST
SO IT WASN’T SO DEPRESSING THAT WE ALL WANT TO QUIT. THAT THE
LANDSCAPE, THEY ARE INCREDIBLY POWERFUL FORCES, AND THAT’S NOT
TO SAY THEY ARE ALL BAD, THIS TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS FOR NEW
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS AS WELL, THERE ARE HUGE ADVANTAGES, BUT
THAT ASYMMETRY IS A PROBLEM. AND ONE LAST PIECE I THINK IS MOST
STARTLING OF ALL, IN THE LAST CYCLE THOSE THAT IDENTIFIED IS
LEFT OF CENTER, ALMOST 1 OUT OF EVERY TWO PEOPLE THAT IDENTIFIED
LEFT OF CENTER DID NOT POST A SINGLE THING RELATED TO POLITICS
OR CIVIC ENGAGEMENT ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDS, THAT NUMBER
IS ONLY 8% ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE. WHICH IS A TESTAMENT TO
WIN SOMETHING ON THE LEFT GOES VIRAL OR THEY DO HAVE AN
AUDIENCE, IT SHOWS THEY ARE OVERCOMING NOT JUST THE
DISTRIBUTION ASYMMETRY BUT A PER DISSIPATION GAP. AND FOR ME OUR
MISSION NOW IS AS MUCH ABOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS HAPPENING
WITH THOSE COMMUNITIES AND LANDSCAPES AND THE STRUCTURAL
PIECES AROUND IT AS IT IS ABOUT SOUNDING THE ALARM ABOUT THAT
ONE STAT, BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE ASSUMPTION ABOUT GETTING BACK TO
POWER, ABOUT POLITICAL ORGANIZING, IS BASED ON THE IDEA
THAT IF THEY JUST HAD THE RIGHT MESSAGE OR THE BEST DIGITAL
STRATEGY THEY WILL FIND THE PEOPLE. AND IF MORE AND MORE OF
THOSE PEOPLE WHO IDENTIFY AS LEFT OF CENTER ARE TUNING OUT,
HOW DO YOU GET THEM BACK INCOME HOW DO YOU MARKET TO THEM OR
PULL THEM IN IF THEY ARE DISENGAGING, BECAUSE THEY JUST
DON’T WANT TO BE ABUSED BECAUSE OF THE LANDSCAPE –>>I WOULDN’T HAVE GUESSED IT WAS
THAT HIGH.>>IT’S A SCARY STATISTIC, AND I
SEE THAT IS A BIG PIECE OF OUR CORE MISSION IS AS MUCH ABOUT
UNDERSTANDING IT AND WHAT IS GOING INTO THESE COMMUNITIES AND
HOW THEY ARE SORT OF CREATING NOT JUST THE ASYMMETRY BETWEEN
THE DISSED ABUSE AND PLATFORMS BUT EVEN BETWEEN PARTICIPATION,
AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO START TO DEAL WITH IT?>>THAT’S EXTRAORDINARY. WE HAVE
A LOT OF STUFF TO DO –>>THE STEREOTYPE IS THAT
EVERYBODY JUST WANTS TO GET OUT, THEY ARE TALKING AND ALL THAT,
BUT THAT’S A HUGE GAP BETWEEN PROGRESSIVES
AND NON-PROGRESSIVES.

100 Replies to “The Terrifying Reach Of Fake News Online

  1. This is the result of an ill political environment run by the rich in order to allow them to grasp all the wealth by dumbing the USA down.

  2. The left and the right both create their own echo chambers, which gives them incentive to generate fake or very biased news. The right get indoctrinated at home while the left do it with liberal arts degrees.

  3. I've noticed an alarming right-wing online dominance for some time. Here at YouTube right-wing postings on any given issue tend to get vastly more views than their left wing equivalents. Click on a right-wing link and, unlike here, the overwhelming majority of commenters are solidly pro right. There's little if any inner dissension or trolling from the opposition. Visit Vidme and navigate to its Political section. It is almost to a video right-wing dominant, with next to no left-wing presence whatsoever. We are being outgunned, folks.

  4. It's the internet and needs to be free and unregulated. If "progressives" are fooled by "Hillary a Satanist" headlines then the problem isn't online.

  5. Is there a study/source materials for the statistics Carusone mentions during this interview? Would love to read a full account of his findings but I can't find anything on MMFA's website…

  6. 'Bannons War' is evil. Mercers and Adelson spend billions on fake news propaganda to troll Progressives. hrc is the red meat.snowflake go nuts

  7. Because unlike the right, the left isn't a single bloc. There's a moderate left and a progressive left. The Trumpbots jump in and start stirring the pot getting the moderates and the progressives fighting among themselves. Nothing gets done. Trump wins.

  8. You guys r part of the fake news, why haven't you guys talked about the real Russian collusion with Hillary getting 145 mil from Russians send to Clinton foundation, do u guys pick n choose what news u feed ur 🐑

  9. There is a word for "non-progressives", especially appropriate considering the political climate, and that word is reactionary. Conservatives and reactionaries are much more vocal because their messaging is more emotional and often violent. They also feel perpetually persecuted, so the battle is much more immanent in their minds than in progressives. Also, people who support progressive policies are more diverse and disparate, which seems to make it harder for them to unify in meaningful ways and means that many of them consume information from different sources, limiting the strength of any potential movements.

  10. The American culture needs to get rid of this normalization (or worst praise) of ignorance and stupidity. Thinking shouldn't be only for the "snobby elites".
    We need critical thinking to be an important part of the education system.
    Anyone with basic understanding of fallacies can see right through these right wing corporate propaganda blogs and Facebook pages.

  11. The claim that someone is paying more than his share of taxes depends on the prior conclusion that he did not receive more than his share of income. If he receives more than his share because of a rigged game, and has the excess taxed away, he got his share and has no fair complaint. Taxes have never reached that level, and complaints by the rich that they pay too much are therefore absurd.

  12. Right-wingers tend to bloviate in all situations. Just before the 2016 election I was sitting with a group of people I know,but not extremely well and suddenly a woman in the group spurted out, "So we're all for Trump, right?" Just assuming that everyone there was just like her. I remember being in a restaurant and here comes this guy passing out right-wing propaganda to all the diners. Conclusion; Right-wingers are assholes.

  13. lying is part of conservative philosophy: There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn't work. irving krisol

  14. As ridiculous as it sounds, a lot of this can be traced back to the Gamergate garbage from a few years ago. If the SJW morons hadn't stirred up the hornet nest by writing articles title "Gamers are Over," this probably wouldn't have happened.

  15. Stop saying fake news! It's called fiction not fake news. Stop treating people like they are too dumb to tell the difference lol Everything you don't agree with you just call fake news it's basic discredit tactics. Half the shit you call fake news is probably real.

  16. This is a phenomenal story. It’s a real shame that it isn’t being viewed more. Really scary stuff happening here.

  17. All these poor grandparents… 😢 …they got an iPad hoping to get entertained by watching cat videos, but now Alex Jones 😡kind of guys targeting them with their fear-mongering news. We gotta educate our seniors citizens, however, many of them are Dory🐠 — suffering from short-term memory loss… If only they could forget the fake news too. 🤔🤤

  18. I think Angelo Carusone is absolutely correct when diagnosing the Far Right's use of fake news and manipulation of facts, but he is wrong not to mention the Left who has been dealing in Postmodernism and questioning the very nature of facts for decades in the universities. What's troubling about Angelo Carusone's commentary is that he doesn't seem to embrace the idea of a fact either, and sounds more dedicated to be finding "solutions" to counter false right-wing narrative with false left-wing narrative. I I truly condemn the Far Right and the Far Left for giving up on the idea of fact in favor of Postmodern "metanarrative." TYT is certainly guilty of being hyper-ideological and dealing in "post-truth" as well. Somewhere in the mess of the "spin," there are facts to be uncovered, but increasingly, America does not care to find them or even denies their existence.

  19. Fake news online??? MSM doesn't HAVE much influence online, but this IS fake news so I guess u have a point. Young Turds are Fake News!!!

  20. This really is scary. 4chan drives US right wing political discourse? A few years ago I read there was an interesting discussion on a game I was interested in at the time so I went to 4chan to find this discussion. Almost immediately saw a gross picture of a distended anus. That is 4chan right there, the distended anus of the Internet. No wonder US politics is so fooked.

  21. TYT reporting on fake news is like Harvey Weinstein being a motivational speaker on sexual assult and pedophilia.

  22. When the smoke clears and these people have to deal with the truth, they are going to feel like fools. Another thing, adult people know that hate is wrong, but they allow themselves to ignore common sense will be their down fall.

  23. People left-to-center are disinterested in politics because the Left has gone crazy with its SJW-snowflake-racism agenda. People get tired of this nonsense. The reality is, you people have disenfranchised your own.

    PS: TYT is fake news.

  24. I know, right?! You got ignorant/bias Fox News dominating cable news, so you go online and you got channels like TYT dominating with mostly crap. So much fake news

  25. Everything is fake news… if a factual news is in favor of liberals… conservatives call it fake news… if a factual news is in favor of conservative… liberals call it fake news… SHUT UP EVERYTHING IS FAKE NEWS

  26. You're just butthurt the old guard of media is dying. Admit it TYT, you support mainstream media. You are nothing but controlled opposition. At least Secular Talk is willing to keep it real on this issue.

  27. A propaganda media outlet lecturing us on fake news. Search police brutality and count how many white police brutality stories they do. … Selective reporting (glorified Googlers = Fake news

  28. So, basically he said blame a website message board… Reddit, Buzzfeed, Google, Facebook, Youtube, the Chans, are all just comment sites; USERS follow drama, news, conspiracies, eccentric people, and supply entertainment. To treat the site like it has a nefarious purpose is ludicrous. The posters supply the content, not the site.
    Your fear of 4chan sounds like Grandpa explaining why Led Zeppelin is the devil's music.

  29. Oh, so funny to watch TYT talking about other sites giving out fake news. TYT one of the worst sites for fake news there is. This is like CNN complaining about it.

  30. Ahahaha yeah your reach terrifies me.. 4mil from. Buddy roehmer and 20mil sponsor. Yeah youre not bought out hahaha

  31. WOW, the projection is strong with these fucktards!!! 🙂 congratulations tyt you win the most ironic video title of the year award!! LMFAO!! What a JOKE!!!

  32. I think the reason progressives don't post a lot of political comment on social media is the number and toxicity of the trolls. You just need to look down the comments here to see that.

  33. where are the statistics your talking about ? would be nice to prove such unbelieveble fact before making a conclusion…

  34. The Young Turks who's being paid millions by the elists dare to talk about fake news, when they Echo nothing but fake news.

    compare the news that you hear on The Young Turks to MSNBC NBC ABC CBS CNN they all Echo the exact same words just in a different order.

    The Young Turks doesn't give you any information they give you the opinion like The View.

    if you want to know factual news do you own research you must start thinking outside of the box. depopulation has already started a agenda 21.

    critical thinking is a must if you are to understand the difference these evil parasites are going.

    you can continue to sleep but you can become awakened when you are waking you would no longer need to hear that pinions of others because you would know the truth because you have done your own research.

  35. Obama and the Clintons let Russia grab the A-bomb’s main ingredient under questionable circumstances. Does anyone care?

  36. Interesting, but TYT seems to make the implication that false news and echo chambers is purely an issue on the right which is false as well. The ability of companies to tailor information to the desires of their customers is one of the more common factors driving such a distinct separation in ideals these days, and it truly applies to anyone who uses the internet or watches tv.

  37. Maybe outlets can just delay uploads until they can be confirmed. Then, if it's bullshit, they can put the word FAKE in the title of the piece.

  38. I would like to see how Media Matters arrived at their conclusions. Especially when they say that conservative groups are twice as large as liberal groups. How did you guys determine this?

  39. now THIS is irony of the highest order.
    you have no business using the subject premise, as this outlet (TYT) is nothing but a leftist propaganda/public relations nightmare.
    hiding behind the guise of free speech, then deride opposing views by attempting to silence them and shame them.
    you a dangerous, a blight that's partially responsible for some of the race baiting and hate peddling.
    you are the establishment media, nothing original or unique about this outlet.
    buzzword factory and pop psychology disaster.
    history is seldom merciful to those speaking in the realms of public opinion, careful you don't over extend your reach and sphere of influence, it will come back to haunt you. (ship has sailed LONG ago methinks.)

  40. Ha ha, I am that one out of three leftists who does post about politics on my social media. I just can't help it; I get so mad at the hypocrisy and sheer mean-spiritedness of the alt-right.

  41. It reminds me that angry people without arguments tend to be the most vocal. But at least they get some representation through Trump or Fox.

    Progressives on the other hand get almost nothing in mainstream media and barely anyone in politics to talk for their side.

  42. It's almost like people with more open or progressive ideals are more careful and honest with what they post.
    Or they're not bitter angry unemployed basement dwellers with all the time in the world to repost conspiracy bullshit to everyone in the Facebook list.

    Maybe it's both.

  43. first of all if you get your news from 4chan then you reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally need help. 4chan is where the memes and trash of the internet goes for entertainment. nothing more.

  44. Maybe if the "real news" weren't such cocksuckers for one side or the other, people wouldn't go to independent outlets to find their information.

  45. Yes misinformation is bad and tyt is included in that misinformation with the mainstream media pure lies, with your progressive propaganda BULLSHIT

  46. Most of the wonderful Right wing base rarely uses the actual internet. At best someone helps them enough so they can sometimes read emails and Facebook. That crowd is lost in their own world where only a few things matter when politics is involved. A huge percent of them that live in rural areas everything revolves around their church and TV evangelist. That don't make them bad people but they do not know much an they are lock into their type of world and not going to change. That is why anyone can run and it won't matter unless things get so bad they halfway wake up.

  47. Didn’t his boss David Brock spend millions of dollars on “bots” to combat the truth getting out about Hillary Clinton. Media Matters is a neoliberal propaganda organization and it says a lot about TYT to have hacks like this guy getting exposure on your network from an organization that is funded by Soros.

  48. Hearing the terms normalization and active measures one is listening to the conversation of devout Communists, discussion action being taken via Applied Dialectics. People need to be very careful listening to Mr Carusone who is talking freely of Communist ideological Subversion and what is currently being seen by his group's active measures to silence conservative media by attacking via disinformation their advertisers.

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