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>>>THIS MORNING WE ARE LEERNG>>>THIS MORNING WE ARE LEERNG NEW DETAILS OF THE EXACT CAUSE NEW DETAILS OF THE EXACT CAUSE OF DEATH OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN. OF DEATH OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN. “THE WASHINGTON POST” REPORTS “THE WASHINGTON POST” REPORTS ACCORDING TO TWO PEOPLE FAMILIAR ACCORDING TO TWO PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH THE AUTOPSY REPORT THAT WITH THE AUTOPSY REPORT THAT EPSTEIN SUSTAINED MULTIPLE EPSTEIN SUSTAINED MULTIPLE BREAKS IN HIS NECK BONES BREAKS IN HIS NECK BONES INCLUDING ONE NEAR THE ADAM’S INCLUDING ONE NEAR THE ADAM’S APPLE. APPLE. “THE POST” REPORTS SUCH BREAKS “THE POST” REPORTS SUCH BREAKS CAN OCCUR IN THOSE WHO HANG CAN OCCUR IN THOSE WHO HANG THEMSELVES PARTICULARLY IF THEY THEMSELVES PARTICULARLY IF THEY ARE OLDER BUT THEY ARE MORE ARE OLDER BUT THEY ARE MORE COMMON IN VICTIMS OF HOMICIDE BY COMMON IN VICTIMS OF HOMICIDE BY STRANGULATION. STRANGULATION. NBC NEWS HAS NOT YET CONFIRMED NBC NEWS HAS NOT YET CONFIRMED THE REPORT. THE REPORT. MEANTIME A SOURCE CLOSE TO THE MEANTIME A SOURCE CLOSE TO THE CASE TELLS NBC THAT AN CASE TELLS NBC THAT AN UNIDENTIFIED ASSOCIATE HAS UNIDENTIFIED ASSOCIATE HAS CLAIMED EPSTEIN’S BODY FROM THE CLAIMED EPSTEIN’S BODY FROM THE NEW YORK CITY MEDICAL EXAMINER’S NEW YORK CITY MEDICAL EXAMINER’S OFFICE AND NOW A PREVIOUSLY OFFICE AND NOW A PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED INTERVIEW RECORDED ON UNRELEASED INTERVIEW RECORDED ON EPSTEIN’S PRIVATE ISLAND IN THE EPSTEIN’S PRIVATE ISLAND IN THE CARIBBEAN BEFORE HE WAS FIRST CARIBBEAN BEFORE HE WAS FIRST CHARGED AS A SEX OFFENDER IN CHARGED AS A SEX OFFENDER IN FLORIDA IS SHEDDING NEW LIGHT ON FLORIDA IS SHEDDING NEW LIGHT ON HOW THIS MAN WAS VIEWED AND HOW HOW THIS MAN WAS VIEWED AND HOW HE BUILT HIS MAJOR WEALTH. HE BUILT HIS MAJOR WEALTH. JOINING ME NOW THE MAN WHO JOINING ME NOW THE MAN WHO TRAVELED TO EPSTEIN’S PRIVATE TRAVELED TO EPSTEIN’S PRIVATE ISLAND AND SPENT HOURS WITH HIM ISLAND AND SPENT HOURS WITH HIM FORMER “WALL STREET JOURNAL” FORMER “WALL STREET JOURNAL” REPORTER DAVID BANK NOW EDITOR REPORTER DAVID BANK NOW EDITOR AND CEO OF THE DIGITAL MEDIA AND CEO OF THE DIGITAL MEDIA COMPANY IMPACT ALPHA. COMPANY IMPACT ALPHA. BACK IN 2003 YOU WERE A FELON BACK IN 2003 YOU WERE A FELON PHILANTHROPY REPORTER FOR — A PHILANTHROPY REPORTER FOR — A PHILANTHROPY REPORTER. PHILANTHROPY REPORTER. WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO THIS GUY? WHAT ATTRACTED YOU TO THIS GUY?>>HE CAME TO ME.>>HE CAME TO ME. THERE HAD BEEN A STORY THAT CAME THERE HAD BEEN A STORY THAT CAME ABOUT AFTER — IN “NEW YORK” ABOUT AFTER — IN “NEW YORK” MAGAZINE AFTER HE HAD FLOWN MAGAZINE AFTER HE HAD FLOWN FORMER PRESIDENT CLINTON AROUND FORMER PRESIDENT CLINTON AROUND ON HIS JET. ON HIS JET. SO THAT SORT OF BROUGHT HIM TO SO THAT SORT OF BROUGHT HIM TO ATTENTION AND I THINK THAT PUT ATTENTION AND I THINK THAT PUT SOME REPORTERS ON THE TRAIL. SOME REPORTERS ON THE TRAIL. HE THOUGHT I THINK SOME WERE HE THOUGHT I THINK SOME WERE GOING TO BE UNFLATTERING AND GOING TO BE UNFLATTERING AND FRANKLY CAME TO ME AND SAID, YOU FRANKLY CAME TO ME AND SAID, YOU KNOW, COME DOWN TO THE ISLAND. KNOW, COME DOWN TO THE ISLAND. I’LL TELL YOU EVERYTHING. I’LL TELL YOU EVERYTHING. I THINK HE THOUGHT HE COULD SPIN I THINK HE THOUGHT HE COULD SPIN ME AND I’D WRITE A POSITIVE ME AND I’D WRITE A POSITIVE STORY. STORY. HE CERTAINLY DID TRY TO SPIN ME. HE CERTAINLY DID TRY TO SPIN ME. THE STORY NEVER APPEARED THOUGH. THE STORY NEVER APPEARED THOUGH.>>WHY DIDN’T YOU EVER WRITE THE>>WHY DIDN’T YOU EVER WRITE THE STORY? STORY?>>WELL, AS YOU’VE SORT OF>>WELL, AS YOU’VE SORT OF POINTED OUT THERE IS A KIND OF POINTED OUT THERE IS A KIND OF SKEPTICISM WHEN A VERY RICH SKEPTICISM WHEN A VERY RICH PERSON WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE PERSON WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT THEIR WAY, SO WE APPROACHED IT THEIR WAY, SO WE APPROACHED IT WITH A CERTAIN DEGREE OF IT WITH A CERTAIN DEGREE OF SKEPTICISM AND EVENTUALLY SKEPTICISM AND EVENTUALLY DECIDED THAT WE WEREN’T QUITE DECIDED THAT WE WEREN’T QUITE SURE THAT WE WEREN’T BEING SPUN SURE THAT WE WEREN’T BEING SPUN AND SO THE SAFER BET WAS TO JUST AND SO THE SAFER BET WAS TO JUST LET THE STORY LAY THERE. LET THE STORY LAY THERE. AND THERE WASN’T NEARLY — I AND THERE WASN’T NEARLY — I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE WASN’T MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE WASN’T NEARLY THE ATTENTION TO HIM THEN NEARLY THE ATTENTION TO HIM THEN THAT THERE IS NOW. THAT THERE IS NOW. THERE WAS NOTHING REALLY LOST THERE WAS NOTHING REALLY LOST AND I THINK WE JUST DECIDED TO AND I THINK WE JUST DECIDED TO TAKE THE SAFE ROUTE AT THE TIME. TAKE THE SAFE ROUTE AT THE TIME. SO IT WAS AN EXPEDITION AND SO IT WAS AN EXPEDITION AND DIDN’T REALLY TURN UP ANYTHING DIDN’T REALLY TURN UP ANYTHING WE WANTED TO PUBLISH. WE WANTED TO PUBLISH.>>TELL US ABOUT THE ISLAND.>>TELL US ABOUT THE ISLAND. IN THE ARTICLE YOU SAY, HE IN THE ARTICLE YOU SAY, HE WANTED TO SPEAK IN A GAZEBO WANTED TO SPEAK IN A GAZEBO RATHER THAN THE MAIN HOUSE. RATHER THAN THE MAIN HOUSE. HE SAID THAT THE MAIN HOUSE HAD HE SAID THAT THE MAIN HOUSE HAD TOO MANY GIRLS. TOO MANY GIRLS. WHAT WAS IT LIKE ON THE ISLAND? WHAT WAS IT LIKE ON THE ISLAND? I’VE SPOKEN TO OTHERS WHO WENT I’VE SPOKEN TO OTHERS WHO WENT THERE AND THEY SAID WHEN THEY THERE AND THEY SAID WHEN THEY ARRIVED THERE WAS A GIANT, ARRIVED THERE WAS A GIANT, INFLATABLE TRAMPOLINE WITH GIRLS INFLATABLE TRAMPOLINE WITH GIRLS JUMPING ON IT IN BIKINIS JUMPING ON IT IN BIKINIS WELCOMING GUESTS. WELCOMING GUESTS. TELL ME WHAT IT WAS LIKE THERE. TELL ME WHAT IT WAS LIKE THERE.>>THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.>>THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. I WAS THERE, YOU KNOW, TO DO AN I WAS THERE, YOU KNOW, TO DO AN INTERVIEW. INTERVIEW. I WAS NOT THERE TO SOCIALIZE OR I WAS NOT THERE TO SOCIALIZE OR PARTY IN ANY WAY. PARTY IN ANY WAY.>>WERE THERE GIRLS ALL OVER THE>>WERE THERE GIRLS ALL OVER THE PLACE? PLACE?>>I DID NOT SEE ANY.>>I DID NOT SEE ANY. I ARRIVED AT THE AIRPORT IN ST. I ARRIVED AT THE AIRPORT IN ST. CROIX. CROIX. I WAS MET BY A WOMAN WHO I WAS MET BY A WOMAN WHO INTRODUCED HERSELF AS GHISLAIN INTRODUCED HERSELF AS GHISLAIN AND TURNED OUT TO BE GHISLAIN AND TURNED OUT TO BE GHISLAIN MAXWELL. MAXWELL. SHE TOOK ME WITH A DRIVER ON THE SHE TOOK ME WITH A DRIVER ON THE TARMAC, SHOWED ME THE JET, GAVE TARMAC, SHOWED ME THE JET, GAVE ME THE SORT OF NICKEL TOUR OF ME THE SORT OF NICKEL TOUR OF THE JET AND THEN FLEW ME WITH THE JET AND THEN FLEW ME WITH HER AS THE PILOT IN A HELICOPTER HER AS THE PILOT IN A HELICOPTER AND WE LANDED AT A HELIPAD AT AND WE LANDED AT A HELIPAD AT THE TOP OF THE ISLAND. THE TOP OF THE ISLAND. JEFFREY MET ME IN A GOLF CART, JEFFREY MET ME IN A GOLF CART, TOOK ME AROUND A LITTLE BIT ON TOOK ME AROUND A LITTLE BIT ON THE ISLAND. THE ISLAND. POINTED OUT A FEW THINGS. POINTED OUT A FEW THINGS. SHOWED ME TO A GUEST HOUSE, I SHOWED ME TO A GUEST HOUSE, I THINK IT HAD BEEN A RED EYE THINK IT HAD BEEN A RED EYE FLIGHT. FLIGHT. SAID I COULD TAKE A SHOWER. SAID I COULD TAKE A SHOWER. THERE WAS NOBODY ELSE IN THE THERE WAS NOBODY ELSE IN THE GUEST HOUSE. GUEST HOUSE. AND THEN SAID MEET ME DOWN AT AND THEN SAID MEET ME DOWN AT THE BEACH IN THE GAZEBO. THE BEACH IN THE GAZEBO. SO I MADE MAY WAY DOWN THERE AND SO I MADE MAY WAY DOWN THERE AND I SAID WHY HAVEN’T YOU SHOWN ME I SAID WHY HAVEN’T YOU SHOWN ME THE MAIN HOUSE? THE MAIN HOUSE? AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, JOKINGLY, AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, JOKINGLY, TOO MANY GIRLS. TOO MANY GIRLS. AND SO WE SAT DOWN ON THE BEACH AND SO WE SAT DOWN ON THE BEACH UNDER THE GAZEBO AND TALKED FOR UNDER THE GAZEBO AND TALKED FOR A FEW HOURS ONE AFTERNOON AND A FEW HOURS ONE AFTERNOON AND THEN A FEW MORE HOURS THE NEXT THEN A FEW MORE HOURS THE NEXT MORNING. MORNING.>>TOO MANY GIRLS.>>TOO MANY GIRLS. I WANT TO LISTEN TO ONE OF THE I WANT TO LISTEN TO ONE OF THE RECORDINGS YOU DUG UP FROM THAT RECORDINGS YOU DUG UP FROM THAT INTERVIEW WHERE EPSTEIN INTERVIEW WHERE EPSTEIN DISCUSSES HIS MONEY. DISCUSSES HIS MONEY.>>ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS>>ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS IF YOU HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY MOST IF YOU HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY MOST LIKELY YOU WON’T MISS IT IF SOME LIKELY YOU WON’T MISS IT IF SOME IS TAKEN FROM YOU. IS TAKEN FROM YOU. THAT’S VERY IMPORTANT, WHICH IS THAT’S VERY IMPORTANT, WHICH IS IN FACT THE SECURITY CONCERNS, IN FACT THE SECURITY CONCERNS, AND THIS IS THE REASON I’VE AND THIS IS THE REASON I’VE ALWAYS BEEN PRIVATE AND WISELY ALWAYS BEEN PRIVATE AND WISELY SO, IS AS YOU BECOME KNOWN AS A SO, IS AS YOU BECOME KNOWN AS A PHILANTHROPIST OR GIVING AWAY PHILANTHROPIST OR GIVING AWAY MONEY YOU BECOME KNOWN AS THE MONEY YOU BECOME KNOWN AS THE PERFECT VICTIM OF FRAUDS AND PERFECT VICTIM OF FRAUDS AND IDENTITY THEFT. IDENTITY THEFT.>>HE SAID ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES>>HE SAID ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES IS IF YOU HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY IS IF YOU HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY MOST LIKELY YOU WON’T MISS IT IF MOST LIKELY YOU WON’T MISS IT IF SOME IS TAKEN FROM YOU. SOME IS TAKEN FROM YOU. THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. WHICH IS IN FACT SECURITY WHICH IS IN FACT SECURITY CONCERNS. CONCERNS. THIS IS THE REASON I’VE ALWAYS THIS IS THE REASON I’VE ALWAYS BEEN PRIVATE. BEEN PRIVATE. AND WISELY SO. AND WISELY SO. AS YOU BECOME KNOWN AS A PERSON AS YOU BECOME KNOWN AS A PERSON GIVING AWAY MONEY THEN YOU GIVING AWAY MONEY THEN YOU BECOME THE PERFECT VICTIM OF BECOME THE PERFECT VICTIM OF FRAUD AND IDENTITY THEFT. FRAUD AND IDENTITY THEFT. HOW IRONIC IS THAT STATEMENT HOW IRONIC IS THAT STATEMENT SINCE WE NOW KNOW THAT L BRAND SINCE WE NOW KNOW THAT L BRAND CEO LES WEXNER WHO HAD GIVEN CEO LES WEXNER WHO HAD GIVEN POWER OF ATTORNEY FOR ALL OF HIS POWER OF ATTORNEY FOR ALL OF HIS ESTATE TO HIM, NOW HE IS GIVING ESTATE TO HIM, NOW HE IS GIVING DOCUMENTS TO THE FEDS SAYING DOCUMENTS TO THE FEDS SAYING EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS EPSTEIN STOLE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM HIM BACK THEN OF DOLLARS FROM HIM BACK THEN THOUGH WEXNER DID NOT REPORT IT THOUGH WEXNER DID NOT REPORT IT TO THE AUTHORITIES AT THE TIME. TO THE AUTHORITIES AT THE TIME. DID ANYTHING SEEM OFF TO YOU DID ANYTHING SEEM OFF TO YOU WHEN HE MADE A STATEMENT LIKE WHEN HE MADE A STATEMENT LIKE THAT? THAT?>>WELL, HE WAS POSITIONING>>WELL, HE WAS POSITIONING HIMSELF IN THE INTERVIEW AS MORE HIMSELF IN THE INTERVIEW AS MORE THAN JUST A FINANCIAL ADVISER, THAN JUST A FINANCIAL ADVISER, MORE THAN JUST A TRADER. MORE THAN JUST A TRADER. HE WAS SORT OF A COUNSELOR TO HE WAS SORT OF A COUNSELOR TO RICH PEOPLE IS THE WAY HE SAID RICH PEOPLE IS THE WAY HE SAID IT. IT. HE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IN FACT, HE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IN FACT, MONEY AS HE SAYS IN THAT QUOTE MONEY AS HE SAYS IN THAT QUOTE COULD BRING TROUBLE AS WELL AS COULD BRING TROUBLE AS WELL AS LUXURY. LUXURY. AND SO HE WOULD SORT OF COUNSEL AND SO HE WOULD SORT OF COUNSEL PEOPLE. PEOPLE. WHY DO YOU NEED MORE MONEY? WHY DO YOU NEED MORE MONEY? YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW. AND HE BASICALLY SAID, I THINK AND HE BASICALLY SAID, I THINK HE TOLD ME, IF YOU HAVE A HE TOLD ME, IF YOU HAVE A BILLION DOLLARS YOU BASICALLY BILLION DOLLARS YOU BASICALLY CAN’T SPEND IT ALL IN YOUR CAN’T SPEND IT ALL IN YOUR LIFETIME SO YOU BETTER MAKE SURE LIFETIME SO YOU BETTER MAKE SURE IT’S DOING YOU MORE GOOD THAN IT’S DOING YOU MORE GOOD THAN HARM. HARM. AND HE POSITIONED HIMSELF AS AND HE POSITIONED HIMSELF AS SORT OF THE THERAPIST TO THE SORT OF THE THERAPIST TO THE BILLIONAIRES. BILLIONAIRES.>>IF YOU’VE GOT A BILLION, IT’S

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