Google is biased by design says Director of ‘The Creepy Line’


STUART: BETTER GET BACK TO A STORY WHICH THIS PROGRAM BROUGHT YOU YESTERDAY. FORMER EDITOR OF “PSYCHOLOGY TODAY” WENT ON THE RECORD IN FRONT OF CONGRESS AND SAID GOOGLE MANIPULATED VOTES IN THE 2016 ELECTION BECAUSE OF BIAS IN SEARCH. ROLL TAPE.>>YOU TESTIFIED BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE THAT GOOGLE’S MANIPULATION OF VOTES GAVE AT LEAST 2.6 MILLION ADDITIONAL VOTES TO HILLARY CLINTON IN THE YEAR 2016. IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>YOUR TESTIMONY IS THAT GOOGLE IS, THROUGH BIAS IN SEARCH RESULTS, MANIPULATING VOTERS IN A WAY THEY’RE NOT AWARE OF?>>ON A MASSIVE SCALE.>>IF UNDERSTOOD YOUR TESTIMONY CORRECTLY, YOU SAID IN SUBSEQUENT ELECTIONS, GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK AND TWITTER AND BIG TECH’S MANIPULATION COULD MANIPULATE AS MANY AS 15 MILLION VOTES IN A SUBSEQUENT ELECTION?>>IN 2020, IF ALL THESE COMPANIES ARE SUPPORTING THE SAME CANDIDATE, THERE ARE 15 MILLION VOTES ON THE LINE THAT CAN BE SHIFTED WITHOUT PEOPLE’S KNOWLEDGE AND WITHOUT LEAVING A PAPER TRAIL FOR AUTHORITIES TO TRACE. ASHLEY: GOOD GRIEF. STUART: I CALL THAT REALLY POWERFUL STUFF. HOWEVER, YES, THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT DR. EPSTEIN’S METHODOLOGY AND HOW HE CAME UP WITH THOSE NUMBERS. WITH US NOW, THE DIRECTOR OF THE CREEPY LINE, THAT’S A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT BIG TECH FINDING ITS WAY INTO OUR PERSONAL LIVES. BEFORE WE GET TO HIM, JUST ROLL THIS CLIP. ROLL TAPE.>>YOU’RE SEARCHING FOR THE MOST PRIVATE STUFF ON GOOGLE, THINGS THAT YOUR WIFE OR SPOUSE MIGHT NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT.>>FACEBOOK CONSTANTLY MANIPULATES THEIR USERS. THEY DO IT BY THE THINGS THEY INSERT INTO THE NEWS FEED. THEY DO IT BY THE TYPES OF HOSTS THEY ALLOW THEIR USERS TO SEE. STT THE DIRECTOR OF THE MOVIE WITH THE CLIP OF WHICH YOU JUST SAW IS WITH US. WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.>>GLAD TO BE HERE. STUART: IS THERE ANY WAY TO PROVE THE NUMBERS WHICH DR. EPSTEIN WAS USING?>>LOOK, AT THIS POINT, WE DON’T HAVE PROOF THAT THESE VOTES WERE MOVED. ONE THING WE DO KNOW IS THAT THE WAY THE GOOGLE SEARCH ENGINE WORKS, IF I SEARCH FOR STUART VARNEY, IT HAS TO DO TWO THINGS. IT HAS TO SELECT PAGES OUT OF BILLIONS OF PAGES, BIAS NUMBER ONE, AND HAS TO PUT THEM IN AN ORDER. SO THE ENGINE IS BIASED BY DESIGN. THAT’S THE BASELINE. WHEN GOOGLE SAYS THERE’S NO BIAS, IT IS BIAS. IF I SAY WHICH IS THE BEST CANDIDATE, IT HAS TO PUT ONE FIRST. SO THE METHODOLOGY WHICH HE USES SHOWS THAT THERE’S POTENTIAL FOR MANIPULATION IF THEY SO CHOOSE. THAT IS THE IMPORTANT THING HERE. IF THEY SO CHOOSE. GOOGLE SHOWS ANY BIAS INTERNALLY TOWARDS ONE CANDIDATE OR ANOTHER, THE POTENTIAL THAT DR. EPSTEIN SHOWED IS THERE TO DO WHAT HE SAID THEY COULD DO. STUART: BUT WE DON’T KNOW THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING THAT. FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE 2010 ELECTION, FACEBOOK SENT OUT A MESSAGE, GET OUT THE VOTE, LIKE A PUBLIC SERVICE MESSAGE, GET OUT THE VOTE. THEY SENT IT TO 60 MILLION PEOPLE. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY ONLY SENT IT TO DEMOCRATS. THEY KNEW WHO THEY WERE. THAT SHIFTED 360,000 VOTES. ACCORDING TO DR. EPSTEIN. IT SOUNDS VALID TO ME.>>LOOK, IT IS DEFINITELY — HE WAS PROPOSING A MONITORING SYSTEM TO CALCULATE BIAS. THAT IS WHAT HE’S PROPOSING. HE SAYS BECAUSE THESE POTENTIALS ARE THERE AND BECAUSE WE SAW STATISTICAL BIAS, STATISTICAL BIAS IN THE SEARCHES OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE STUDY, WHAT IT SHOWS IS IT WAS BIASED TOP TEN FOR HILLARY CLINTON. THAT IS WHAT HIS RESEARCH SHOWED. AGAIN, WHETHER IT HAPPENED, WE DON’T KNOW. BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THE POTENTIAL IS THERE AND HIS RESEARCH, THE PEOPLE HE STUDIED, IT DID HAPPEN. NOW, WHETHER IT CONVERTED TO A VOTE, I CANNOT SAY. STUART: WE CANNOT CONFIRM –>>WE CANNOT CONFIRM. STUART: — THE NUMBERS.>>WE CAN CONFIRM HIS RESEARCH IS EXTREMELY VALID. THE METHODOLOGY IS VERY SOUND BECAUSE THE ENGINE IS BIASED BY DESIGN. STUART: THAT GENTLEMAN, DR. EPSTEIN, IS IN FACT A VOTER FOR HILLARY CLINTON.>>ABSOLUTELY. STUART: HE WAS PUBLICLY VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF HILLARY CLINTON.>>ABSOLUTELY. STUART: IN THE 2016 ELECTION. WHAT TO ME, IT’S SO INSIDIOUS BECAUSE YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY’RE DOING. THEY HAVE ASTRONOMICAL POWER BETWEEN THEM. THERE ARE THREE MULTI-BILLIONAIRES, ALL OF THEM ARE WORTH $50 BILLION PLUS, AND THEY ARE THE NEW BIG BROTHERS. THAT’S THE WAY IT SEEMS TO ME.>>NO, IT IS. I MEAN, THIS IS THE THING. I KNOW DR. EPSTEIN VERY WELL. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE RESEARCH. EVEN THE POTENTIAL OF A COMPANY DOING THIS IS DANGEROUS AND UNDERMINES DEMOCRACY AND HIS RESEARCH, REMEMBER, HE DID THE TEST IN INDIA IN 2014, HE DID IT IN 2016 AND HE DID IT AGAIN IN 2018. SO WE HAVE MANY ELECTIONS THAT HE HAS DONE THIS RESEARCH IN THAT HAVE SHOWN SIMILAR RESULTS, IF NOT THE SAME RESULTS, AND LOOK, AT THE VERY LEAST, JUST LET US KNOW IT’S NOT HAPPENING, GOOGLE. BE TRANSPARENT. IF IT’S NOT HAPPENING, THEN SHOW US.

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